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Jun 2, 2016 5:05 PM
#51
i think squel to the original anime would be great becouse we will see high school sakura which i dont mind to watch |
Jun 2, 2016 5:14 PM
#52
I don't know much about CCS, aside from amazing Aya Hisakawa and Sakura Tange being lead seiyu, but I read few days ago on ANN how people were saying that anime is better than source material, and its fillers weren't fillers as in Naruto/Bleach type fillers, but had their purpose, so to speak... Maybe I should check it out, considering it seems many people think of it as classic. |
Jun 2, 2016 6:21 PM
#54
Great news, but I will be forever salty over CLAMP's incomplete manga series. |
Jun 2, 2016 6:39 PM
#55
DatRandomDude said: well..that would mean it's not gonna be directed by the same director..(even though some of the staffs who moved to Mappa did the story bords and the directing of some eps of the original anime)malki said: why that faceSource: http://www.anigamers.com/interviews/studio-mappa-masao-maruyama-yasuaki-iwase-otakon-2015 Ani-Gamers (David): Madhouse has produced a lot of series many would consider historic, such as Cardcaptor Sakura. How does it work when preserving production materials? ARE they preserved? (This question was mistranslated into one about bringing historic series back and making more of them.) Maruyama: Regarding rights issues, if MAPPA were to make a new Cardcaptor Sakura, the rights would go to MAPPA, but that would be different from the original works rights that would be held by the original rights holder. That’s how we hold onto these kinds of rights. The two types of rights are commonly called the "film rights" and the "original work rights." somthing is telling me that Mappa is taking over this..:/ that would be great. |
Jun 2, 2016 9:18 PM
#56
Fai said: eromangasensei said: Whatever this is, Not going to bother unless it's madhouse again with Morio Asaka supervising the project. If its remake it would not work since the tone is different. If its a sequel, it would be sequel to manga and again, the tone is different and it connects to the ongoing stuff in trc/xxxholic so same happy-go-lucky-childrens-show tone would absolutely not work. It could be a sequel to the anime but then again at this point absolutely nobody who would watch it has seen the original, so that is least likely possibility. tbh CCS doesnt benefit from a remake at all. The first series is complete & the visuals still hold up in today's standard quite well. If it's about the tone it can be taken to dark tone in sequel. malki said: DatRandomDude said: well..that would mean it's not gonna be directed by the same director..(even though some of the staffs who moved to Mappa did the story bords and the directing of some eps of the original anime)malki said: Source: http://www.anigamers.com/interviews/studio-mappa-masao-maruyama-yasuaki-iwase-otakon-2015 Ani-Gamers (David): Madhouse has produced a lot of series many would consider historic, such as Cardcaptor Sakura. How does it work when preserving production materials? ARE they preserved? (This question was mistranslated into one about bringing historic series back and making more of them.) Maruyama: Regarding rights issues, if MAPPA were to make a new Cardcaptor Sakura, the rights would go to MAPPA, but that would be different from the original works rights that would be held by the original rights holder. That’s how we hold onto these kinds of rights. The two types of rights are commonly called the "film rights" and the "original work rights." somthing is telling me that Mappa is taking over this..:/ that would be great. only problem with MadHouse is that they havent worked with NHK since NTV buy-out. Although considering CCS is madhouse' best selling series it wouldnt be wise giving up on such IP |
Imagine a berserk anime by Yoshiaki kawajiri at Madhouse. Now take a look at Berserk (2016). YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO CRY. |
Jun 2, 2016 10:31 PM
#58
eromangasensei said: tbh CCS doesnt benefit from a remake at all. The first series is complete & the visuals still hold up in today's standard quite well. If it's about the tone it can be taken to dark tone in sequel. Again, would not work for reasons I already explained. That's like saying they should just adapt Sailor Moon's last arc from manga as sequel to the 90's anime. The tone and characterization is different. Exactly. Mappa is one of the most consistent and badass studios. Not only they consistently manage to do badass action scenes, but they also have tendency of having best OP videos/songs too Not to mention that Mappa literally IS everything good from madouse, whle Madhouse can't even finish a show without contracting animators from other studios first now. malki said: well..that would mean it's not gonna be directed by the same director..(even though some of the staffs who moved to Mappa did the story bords and the directing of some eps of the original anime) Again, same director would not fit anyway. elior1 said: i think squel to the original anime would be great becouse we will see high school sakura which i dont mind to watch It would be nigh impossible to do. The sequel manga is most likely there to cross over and explain certain things that are happening in TRC. And it would not connect to the old show that well, since the meaning of Sakura's journey is different in CCS anime and manga. Making a sequel to few decades old show as is, is very ridiculous concept. |
Jun 2, 2016 10:47 PM
#59
CCS ended perfectly and I can't help but feel like this could only put a damper on the franchise, if they are going to change there going to be a strong negative feedback. Let's hope everything will be ok. |
Jun 2, 2016 11:30 PM
#60
Exactly. Mappa is one of the most consistent and badass studios. Not only they consistently manage to do badass action scenes, but they also have tendency of having best OP videos/songs too Not to mention that Mappa literally IS everything good from madouse, whle Madhouse can't even finish a show without contracting animators from other studios first now. [/quote] @fai ^ thats just how all studios work except kyoani? Madhouse regularly hires small studios like Magic bus, TAP, ATPP, Nakamura production, etc for 2nd key animation or inbetween & these studios specialise in that small subcontract works. "Contracting animators from other studios" - doesnt apply to MadHouse, for example in OPM everyone worked under madhouse banner - since everyone is freelancer. Although what you said applies to certain studios and cases, like White fox & Re:zero this season. Silver link, JCSTAFF & countless other names pop up in Rezero's credits - thats contracting animators from other studios (usually happens when a studio cant handle the full production). Funny enough MAPPA has carried the madhouse tradition of outsourcing an ep or two to Dr.Movie xD also FYI MAPPA uses a lots of madhouse regulars as well (both studios are like, same. Mappa just has maruyama which is the big difference). MAPPA is very good tho. Donno how that'd work for CCS |
JetNoirJun 2, 2016 11:37 PM
Imagine a berserk anime by Yoshiaki kawajiri at Madhouse. Now take a look at Berserk (2016). YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO CRY. |
Jun 3, 2016 12:50 AM
#61
@Fai ok..first..you should really get over that canipa effect video..it's bullshit.. and please stop talking like you know everything about Madhouse..cuz honnestly..frome wha I see..you just watched a video that talk about OPM's case..and generalized the ideas that you got from it to every thing Madhouse ever done since 2011.. second..you are -just like canipa- using the argument of the quality of the animation of the anime rather than the qualty of the anime itself to compare between studios..and thats laughable tbh.. because last time I checked..there are anime with top tier animation but still suck..and vice versa.. also..loooooool at Mappa don't use freelancers...100 out of 150 employees in that companie are temporary staffs..they even collaborated with Studio VOLN (founded by former Madhouse producer) to make Ushio too Tora..plus, there is no point camparing the production values of a ..studio that makes a one-cour or two-cour show every 2 or 3 season with a studio that make a show every season along side with a long running anime. "Not to mention that Mappa literally IS everything good from madouse" can you elaborate about this "opinion" of yours please..?..what do you mean by "everything good from madhouse" "whle Madhouse can't even finish a show without contracting animators from other studios first now." excuse me..but that sounded retarded as hell >_>l..well first..you proved my point that you are generalizing the ideas you got from that OPM's case video to the entier studio..alright. and by "other studio" you mea Bones I assume.. now..how the hell Madhouse could hire staffs from other studios without the names of those studios appear in the credit tell me please..? I mean.. if they were full time employees in those studios then no body could takes them just like that to worck on full lenght tv anime right..? so yeah..they are just freelancers... for fuck's sake THEY DON'T BELONG TO ANY STUDIO..get it...? now to the main point.. what you said here is like saying "Real Madrid foot ball team can't even play a match without players from other counturies" now, you realized how dump that sounds..the point is..So..? what's the problem..? is there some kind of rules that says every studio that don't make shows with exclusively full time employees is a shitty studio..? now we're using the arguiment of whether the staffs are full time contractors or just freelancers RATHER than the quality of the anime to compare studio aren't we..? " Again, same director would not fit anyway." yeah..well..that's not something you decides anyway.. |
kanarazukarasuJun 3, 2016 1:02 AM
Jun 3, 2016 1:09 AM
#62
eromangasensei said: Madhouse regularly hires small studios like Magic bus, TAP, ATPP, Nakamura production, etc for 2nd key animation or inbetween & these studios specialise in that small subcontract works. Madhouse literally has on talent left. Most of the talent left the studio and formed MAPPA. Just look at Madhouse's latest "projects" - effortless LN adaptations and the like. "Contracting animators from other studios" - doesnt apply to MadHouse, for example in OPM everyone worked under madhouse banner - since everyone is freelancer. ANd yet half the lead animators were lent from Bones. OPM would not have been OPM without Yutaka Nakamura. Right now I could name more relevant animators in Silverlink, Shaft, Mappa or Bones than in current Madhouse Although what you said applies to certain studios and cases, like White fox & Re:zero this season. Silver link, JCSTAFF & countless other names pop up in Rezero's credits - thats contracting animators from other studios (usually happens when a studio cant handle the full production). Don't tell me on how production committees work. I know it better than a lot of people here, most likely. Outsourcing second key animation or inter-animation to other studios is common practice. The fact does not change that Madhouse leaked most of their talent and has yet to get up from that. MAPPA or the likes guarantees CCS at least having quality. Madhouse doing is unpredictable right now. Even in terms of nostalgia, the madhouse that made the first adaptation is no longer there. Funny enough MAPPA has carried the madhouse tradition of outsourcing an ep or two to Dr.Movie xD also FYI MAPPA uses a lots of madhouse regulars as well (both studios are like, same. Mappa just has maruyama which is the big difference). That's what I said in my post? MAPPA is pretty much the relevant parts of Madhouse, while current Madhouse struggles with producing anything on the level of their pre-2013 stuff. malki said: second..you are -just like canipa- using the argument of the quality of the animation of the anime rather than the qualty of the anime itself to compare between studios..and thats laughable tbh.. because last time I checked..there are anime with top tier animation but still suck..and vice versa.. Quality and creativity of animation is usually linked to quality of the show. Nobody wants their favorite series to be done by JC Staff for example. also..loooooool at Mappa don't use freelancers...100 out of 150 employees in that companie are temporary staffs..they even collaborated with Studio VOLN (founded by former Madhouse producer) to make Ushio too Tora..plus, there is no point camparing the production values of a ..studio that makes a one-cour or two-cour show every 2 or 3 season with a studio that make a show every season along side with a long running anime. Using freelancers =/= Not having any inside talent. "Not to mention that Mappa literally IS everything good from madouse" can you elaborate about this "opinion" of yours please..?..what do you mean by "everything good from madhouse" Its not an opinion. Madhouse leaked most of their talent few years ago. "whle Madhouse can't even finish a show without contracting animators from other studios first now." excuse me..but that sounded retarded as hell >_>l..well first..you proved my point that you are generalizing the ideas you got from that OPM's case video to the entier studio..alright. and by "other studio" you mea Bones I assume.. now..how the hell Madhouse could hire staffs from other studios without the names of those studios appear in the credit tell me please..? I mean.. if they were full time employees in those studios then no body could takes them just like that to worck on full lenght tv anime right..? so yeah..they are just freelancers... for fuck's sake THEY DON'T BELONG TO ANY STUDIO..get it...? now to the main point.. Again, outsourcing and freelancing =/= not having your own talent left. Madhouse has not produced any "big hit" kind of quality show since 2013. Comparing their output pre-mappa and post-mappa is all that needs to be said. " Again, same director would not fit anyway." yeah..well..that's not something you decides anyway.. Yes, because unlike your post full of flame bait, its a factual truth. Different directors handle different subject better or worse. Tone-wise both the rest of Clampverse and the CCS manga are very different beasts altogether from the first CCS show. |
AhenshihaelJun 3, 2016 1:18 AM
Jun 3, 2016 3:29 AM
#63
Fai said: such as who..?Madhouse literally has on talent left. Most of the talent left the studio and formed MAPPA. Just look at Madhouse's latest "projects" - effortless LN adaptations and the like. "I didn't like something, therefore it's shit" so can you tell us what you didn't like about those LN adaptation..and made you call them "effortless"..? ANd yet half the lead animators were lent from Bones. OPM would not have been OPM without Yutaka Nakamura. Right now I could name more relevant animators in Silverlink, Shaft, Mappa or Bones than in current Madhouse yes..please do.. and in the other hand.. I can name more relevant directors in Madhouse than in any of those studios alright, you know.. since the directors are more important than the animators and all..but that's probably won't matter to you since you think the animation is the most important thing and all..lol The fact does not change that Madhouse leaked most of their talent and has yet to get up from that. MAPPA or the likes guarantees CCS at least having quality. Madhouse doing is unpredictable right now. Even in terms of nostalgia, the madhouse that made the first adaptation is no longer there. Asaka has proved again and again that he is a master of shojou adaptations..with shows like Nana, Chihayafuru, Kobato..ect.. and then you come here and say that he "dosn't fit" just because..!!!...and you try to pull your openion on us as a fact..lol and don't bring LN adaptations as an argument her which Madhouse was never that good at (even before the bankruptcy) as well as almost every other studio at all..now can you give me a LN adaptation as good as NGNL made by Mappa, Bones or whatever..? no..? I thought so..now what about a manga adaptation by shaft..that is better than HxH 2011..? ok that's probably too much..lol however..we are talking here about a MANGA adaptation..and believe me, when it comes to manga..you can predict that Madhouse has more chances to deliver than any other studio..because they have proved themselves with Manga adaptaions countless times.. That's what I said in my post? MAPPA is pretty much the relevant parts of Madhouse, while current Madhouse struggles with producing anything on the level of their pre-2013 stuff. if you think that Madhouse didn't do anything good since 2013 doesn't mean everyone do neither means it's true.. Quality and creativity of animation is usually linked to quality of the show. Nobody wants their favorite series to be done by JC Staff for example. there is a buttload kinds of anime that needs absolutly nothing more than average animation..aside from sport and action packed ones..you don't need anything but delivering the source material's story in the best way possible..with good dialogues, OSTs, screebplay and camera angels.ect...take Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei as example.. "Nobody wants their favorite series to be done by JC Staff for example" now that's new to me.. JC Staff is one of the most consistant studio animation-wise out there..what are you talking about..? Using freelancers =/= Not having any inside talent. now we're using the arguiment of whether they have inside talents RATHER than the quality of the anime to compare studio aren't we..? sounds lame..but thanks god god Madhouse is still have a bunch of talents..which I don't think is the case for Mappa or silver link.. Its not an opinion. Madhouse leaked most of their talent few years ago. Madhouse pre bankruptcy was as huge as sunrise or even bigger..after NTV bought it out..Maruyama left because he hadn't have as much freedom to finnish the making of Satoshi Kon's Dreaming Machine..so took almost only the staffs who was working the mentioned movie with Kon..that's it..and those staffs are nowhere near the number of employees that were in Madhouse.. Again, outsourcing and freelancing =/= not having your own talent left. Madhouse has not produced any "big hit" kind of quality show since 2013. Comparing their output pre-mappa and post-mappa is all that needs to be said. well too bad..cuz 2011 to 2013 are also post-mappa too..since Maruyama left Madhouse and established Mappa in jun 2011 and not in 2013..your entier argument is irrelevant..lol not to mention..Madhouse not making anything good since 2013 is only your opinion..don't talke like it's a fact.. Yes, because unlike your post full of flame bait, its a factual truth. Different directors handle different subject better or worse. Tone-wise both the rest of Clampverse and the CCS manga are very different beasts altogether from the first CCS show. |
kanarazukarasuJun 3, 2016 3:38 AM
Jun 3, 2016 5:25 AM
#65
Oh wow! YES!!!!!!!! |
Jun 3, 2016 8:42 AM
#66
yay I hope its just as charming |
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Jun 3, 2016 9:44 AM
#67
Wait. What? What??? What??? |
Jun 3, 2016 10:36 PM
#68
My 1st fandom is going to have a new anime :3 Hyped for this! |
Jun 4, 2016 2:07 AM
#69
I'm pretty scared of this new Anime project :O I really really hope it will be good! Can't wait~~ |
Jun 4, 2016 6:03 AM
#70
What are you talking about guys . Morio Asaka will be the director and Madhouse will be the best choice Otherwise it will be nothing except shit |
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Jun 4, 2016 7:23 AM
#71
H-X-H said: What are you talking about guys . Morio Asaka will be the director and Madhouse will be the best choice Otherwise it will be nothing except shit Especially IF it is remake, it is unlikely to have same director(Oh I hope it is remake so CLAMP can add references to Yuuko and stuff, add stronger connections to rest of clampverse, etc). The tone is different and giving reins to exact same people is counter productive to the very idea of remake. If it is adaptation of the mini-sequel manga it still makes no sense since it is not a sequel to previous anime but to the manga, with the intention to expand upon the the character's involvement in certain TRC plotlines. Which would yet again mean it makes no sense to retain the original ties to the first adaptation. Frankly going by history either Mappa(esp since they already talked about the possibility) or production IG(Prod IG's work with xxxholic and trc oads was perfect and they really did well in capturing CLAMP's designs) are more likely choices considering CLAMP's collab with Prod IG for Tsubasa OAD's was top notch. Clamp has not exactly done anything with Madhouse since CiW 2 |
Jun 4, 2016 9:31 AM
#72
malki said: Fai said: such as who..?Madhouse literally has on talent left. Most of the talent left the studio and formed MAPPA. Just look at Madhouse's latest "projects" - effortless LN adaptations and the like. "I didn't like something, therefore it's shit" so can you tell us what you didn't like about those LN adaptation..and made you call them "effortless"..? ANd yet half the lead animators were lent from Bones. OPM would not have been OPM without Yutaka Nakamura. Right now I could name more relevant animators in Silverlink, Shaft, Mappa or Bones than in current Madhouse yes..please do.. and in the other hand.. I can name more relevant directors in Madhouse than in any of those studios alright, you know.. since the directors are more important than the animators and all..but that's probably won't matter to you since you think the animation is the most important thing and all..lol The fact does not change that Madhouse leaked most of their talent and has yet to get up from that. MAPPA or the likes guarantees CCS at least having quality. Madhouse doing is unpredictable right now. Even in terms of nostalgia, the madhouse that made the first adaptation is no longer there. Asaka has proved again and again that he is a master of shojou adaptations..with shows like Nana, Chihayafuru, Kobato..ect.. and then you come here and say that he "dosn't fit" just because..!!!...and you try to pull your openion on us as a fact..lol and don't bring LN adaptations as an argument her which Madhouse was never that good at (even before the bankruptcy) as well as almost every other studio at all..now can you give me a LN adaptation as good as NGNL made by Mappa, Bones or whatever..? no..? I thought so..now what about a manga adaptation by shaft..that is better than HxH 2011..? ok that's probably too much..lol however..we are talking here about a MANGA adaptation..and believe me, when it comes to manga..you can predict that Madhouse has more chances to deliver than any other studio..because they have proved themselves with Manga adaptaions countless times.. That's what I said in my post? MAPPA is pretty much the relevant parts of Madhouse, while current Madhouse struggles with producing anything on the level of their pre-2013 stuff. if you think that Madhouse didn't do anything good since 2013 doesn't mean everyone do neither means it's true.. Quality and creativity of animation is usually linked to quality of the show. Nobody wants their favorite series to be done by JC Staff for example. there is a buttload kinds of anime that needs absolutly nothing more than average animation..aside from sport and action packed ones..you don't need anything but delivering the source material's story in the best way possible..with good dialogues, OSTs, screebplay and camera angels.ect...take Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei as example.. "Nobody wants their favorite series to be done by JC Staff for example" now that's new to me.. JC Staff is one of the most consistant studio animation-wise out there..what are you talking about..? Using freelancers =/= Not having any inside talent. now we're using the arguiment of whether they have inside talents RATHER than the quality of the anime to compare studio aren't we..? sounds lame..but thanks god god Madhouse is still have a bunch of talents..which I don't think is the case for Mappa or silver link.. Its not an opinion. Madhouse leaked most of their talent few years ago. Madhouse pre bankruptcy was as huge as sunrise or even bigger..after NTV bought it out..Maruyama left because he hadn't have as much freedom to finnish the making of Satoshi Kon's Dreaming Machine..so took almost only the staffs who was working the mentioned movie with Kon..that's it..and those staffs are nowhere near the number of employees that were in Madhouse.. Again, outsourcing and freelancing =/= not having your own talent left. Madhouse has not produced any "big hit" kind of quality show since 2013. Comparing their output pre-mappa and post-mappa is all that needs to be said. well too bad..cuz 2011 to 2013 are also post-mappa too..since Maruyama left Madhouse and established Mappa in jun 2011 and not in 2013..your entier argument is irrelevant..lol not to mention..Madhouse not making anything good since 2013 is only your opinion..don't talke like it's a fact.. Yes, because unlike your post full of flame bait, its a factual truth. Different directors handle different subject better or worse. Tone-wise both the rest of Clampverse and the CCS manga are very different beasts altogether from the first CCS show. God bless you. You have said everything was in my mind |
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Jun 4, 2016 2:26 PM
#73
Exciting news! I really hope Madhouse is involved in the new project somehow. |
Jun 4, 2016 11:45 PM
#74
eiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
Jun 5, 2016 9:32 PM
#75
I cried when I saw the announcement on my social media feeds. Finally ;~; hoeee |
Jun 6, 2016 11:27 PM
#76
Fai said: i was just reading the first chapter of the manga and it have potential to be good as squeal since it seems this sequel happening before the tsubasa chronicle eventsH-X-H said: What are you talking about guys . Morio Asaka will be the director and Madhouse will be the best choice Otherwise it will be nothing except shit Especially IF it is remake, it is unlikely to have same director(Oh I hope it is remake so CLAMP can add references to Yuuko and stuff, add stronger connections to rest of clampverse, etc). The tone is different and giving reins to exact same people is counter productive to the very idea of remake. If it is adaptation of the mini-sequel manga it still makes no sense since it is not a sequel to previous anime but to the manga, with the intention to expand upon the the character's involvement in certain TRC plotlines. Which would yet again mean it makes no sense to retain the original ties to the first adaptation. Frankly going by history either Mappa(esp since they already talked about the possibility) or production IG(Prod IG's work with xxxholic and trc oads was perfect and they really did well in capturing CLAMP's designs) are more likely choices considering CLAMP's collab with Prod IG for Tsubasa OAD's was top notch. Clamp has not exactly done anything with Madhouse since CiW 2 |
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