XaGnard

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It began as a Visual Novel. That's when "realism & class" were stated aims & both were apparent. It has degenerated, fairly rapidly after Dylan was made a "2nd MC," into an average teen porn game, without realism, class, or a credible story. Now it has "porn logic," a blanket term used to indicate that anything goes & everything is acceptable provided the author introduces it. There's no reason, utilising "porn logic," why Dylan seated in his & Sophia's "quieter place," couldn't pretend to drop something & go under the table to look for it, then stick his head between Sophia's legs, shouting, "I've found it Mom."

Many fans would enjoy such a scenario, thus justifying its inclusion. Those believing mother & son can have a romantic evening as boy & girlfriend before indulging in some form of sexual activity, might, on the other hand, be disappointed. None of it matters because, "Hey, it's just a porn game." Ah, porn logic....
There are no realistic porn games and AWAM will certainly not be an exception. What some here may have misinterpreted as realism is the slow burn. Of course, slow burn means that less happens at the beginning of the game, and the lack of content alone makes everything seem more real world realistic somehow. But as it is in a curruptions game, you can't just keep the whole game from happening, because that would be most realistic story. I hope it is clear why this idea alone is ridiculous.

Anyway, it also has to be said that AWAM was never particularly realistic in the first place. Just consider the Aiden story line, the sex lessons, the Sybian event (leasbian path), the assault and the associated revenge event and also all the gangster events. None of this is really realistic in a real world sense. It has been a porn game from the beginning, only with slow burn.

Also, I think it is important to realise that realism in a porn game only makes sense if it supports the game and not as an objective in itself. Here, AWAM benefited from having a slow burn in the beginning, as this makes the corruption appear more significant. If, however, certain topics (e.g. incest) are made impossible in the game because someone try to make a porn game real world realistic porn game, he would fail, because a porn game need things happen that would not happen in the real world. If everything in a porn game would be realistic, almost nothing would ever happen, and no one would have to play the game, because it would be deadly boring. Or do you really want a game where Sophia only has sex with Liam?
 

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There are no realistic porn games and AWAM will certainly not be an exception. What some here may have misinterpreted as realism is the slow burn. Of course, slow burn means that less happens at the beginning of the game, and the lack of content alone makes everything seem more real world realistic somehow. But as it is in a curruptions game, you can't just keep the whole game from happening, because that would be most realistic story. I hope it is clear why this idea alone is ridiculous.

Anyway, it also has to be said that AWAM was never particularly realistic in the first place. Just consider the Aiden story line, the sex lessons, the Sybian event (leasbian path), the assault and the associated revenge event and also all the gangster events. None of this is really realistic in a real world sense. It has been a porn game from the beginning, only with slow burn.

Also, I think it is important to realise that realism in a porn game only makes sense if it supports the game and not as an objective in itself. Here, AWAM benefited from having a slow burn in the beginning, as this makes the corruption appear more significant. If, however, certain topics (e.g. incest) are made impossible in the game because someone try to make a porn game real world realistic porn game, he would fail, because a porn game need things happen that would not happen in the real world. If everything in a porn game would be realistic, almost nothing would ever happen, and no one would have to play the game, because it would be deadly boring. Or do you really want a game where Sophia only has sex with Liam?
Here we go again. (Thanks for the facepalm BTW, at least something must have hit home). I've never said AWAM had to be or actually was realistic. I have said that it had a "veneer" of realism. That from my POV was what made it akin to one of the better porn novels or films. Suspension of belief was required as with fiction of any type. Never once have I confused the slow burn with the veneer to which I refer, rather it was part of the overall more realistic approach of the Dev. More realistic, that is, than most sexploitation games on F95. Even just the absence of the 'wham, bam...' approach was a welcome change. That alone was "a touch of class," in a field flooded with more basic products. I find nothing ridiculous in that.

Of course STUFF had to happen. Personally I wish more of it would have happened sooner, via less trademark interruptions, while I could still actively play. All storylines, in this & every other game, can be queried & held up as highly unlikely. Where AWAM scored heavily was in the appearance of a credible, logical sequence of events, regardless of the outcome being a somewhat illogical porn scenario. [Here I'll digress to say that there was a noteworthy exception, i.e. the drive to the workplace to take a shower, having already had a bath. That WAS ridiculous but to me was the exception that proved the rule]. All of the above wasn't only down to the quality renders but was attributable to a standard of writing which varied from slightly above average to very good.

I include the incest in this strictly personal assessment but only in the early part of AWAM. Good porn stories, in whatever medium, can't be expected to be consistently good from start to finish. Most fictional tales, from SF to soaps, have ups & downs. What has happened to AWAM, IMO, reflects a decision or two by the Dev to cater primarily for a youthful, not especially sexually experienced audience. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that & we were all virgin schoolboys, or girls, once. AWAM's decline commenced as it became obvious that there appeared to be no other audience of importance but the mission statement didn't change. This new 'reality' wasn't even reflected in the addition of the "male protagonist" tag, now years overdue. It's almost as if L&P still believed that his project was on course, just in the manner he'd always intended, despite not being due to finish for several decades, having slowed to a crawl & containing very little for any fan not enamoured of familial incest, or huge age differences between sexual partners. He sees continuity but several long-term fans don't.

Even with the controversy & hatred I stir, I have never suggested exclusion of any of the kinks or fetishes present in AWAM. What would have been good would have been a far better balance of the aforesaid kinks, along with an appeal to all ages. This would have necessitated more frequent updates, (event-based updates have proven a horrible way to tell a story of such complexity but were originally promised at a monthly rate), less stories & characters, merging to avoid duplication, in other words, more work, in all likelihood, so instead there's this average teen porn.
 

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There are no realistic porn games and AWAM will certainly not be an exception.
I think you guys are both correct in your own way, as it depends on the definition of "realistic." If something must be commonplace to be realistic, then no, virtually no porn game is realistic at all. However, if by "realistic" you mean something that could happen in real life, then AWAM moves closer to that standard. We see the news stories of teachers having affairs with their adolescent students, we can find real incest online (usually brother and sister but other varieties are out there), etc. Might a woman who owns a sybian in the comfort of her own home invite other women she's attracted to to try it out? Of course! Is something like that ever LIKELY to happen to you or a woman you know? No.

Where AWAM becomes harder to swallow is that Sophia is supposed to be an intelligent, reserved woman. Even if we make ONLY filthy choices for her, her running inner monologue is filled with shame, embarrassment, and hesitation. Would someone like that strip practically naked in a stranger's home to give sex education to her (very) young sons? Almost certainly not, but then one of these days we'll read about it actually happening and we'll all crap our pants in shock.

This is where the slow burn aspect helps support the feeling of realism. Sophia isn't randomly blowing boys at school, for example. But I think what is happening between Sophia and Sam, for example, is VERY realistic, in that something like that could certainly happen. The bikini modeling show she did for Sam and Dylan is another example. I seem to recall reading a story several years ago of a woman who did a strip show for her son and her son's friends during a birthday party. On Reddit just last night I saw a video that purported to be that of a mother buying her son a lap dance on his 18th birthday. That's not the same as giving her son a lap dance herself, but it's a spectrum, you know?
 
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I'm inspecting the picture again and the feeling of dissapointment rises in me.

Anyone who's in a relationship knows that their bodies would be doing the talking by now. Especially after the dancing scene. They would be much closer to each other, there would definitely be touching. He would be whispering things to her ear...

Pfffff.... :poop:
 

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I'm inspecting the picture again and the feeling of dissapointment rises in me.

Anyone who's in a relationship knows that their bodies would be doing the talking by now. Especially after the dancing scene. They would be much closer to each other, there would definitely be touching. He would be whispering things to her ear...

Pfffff.... :poop:
You do realize that Dylan is Sophia's son, right?
 

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... I've never said AWAM had to be or actually was realistic. I have said that it had a "veneer" of realism. ...
Have you forgotten what you said?!? Here is a reminder.:

It began as a Visual Novel. That's when "realism & class" were stated aims & both were apparent. It has degenerated, fairly rapidly after Dylan was made a "2nd MC," into an average teen porn game, without realism, class, or a credible story. ...
Here you are acting as if Dylan story on its own has destroyed realism in AWAM, all in complete ignorance of the fact that AWAM already contains many unrealistic elements from the very beginning. Also, Again, it's just stupid to go for realism in a porn game. This will not work because one aspect of porn is to be unrealistic exaggerated.

No matter how you look at it, AWAM was planned from the beginning as a corruption game with incest/teen content. Therefore, as one of the basic settings in this game Dylan, Ellie and Patrica are sexually interested in Sophia. Therefore, there is a class full of students, a dance group, etc.. You're walking around here, writing something about degenerated "realism & class" while you completely ignore the setting and the game's content. I don't know why, but you're making the game into something it never was, and then badmouthing the supposed transformation. That is nonsensical.


... I have never suggested exclusion of any of the kinks or fetishes present in AWAM. What would have been good would have been a far better balance of the aforesaid kinks, along with an appeal to all ages. ...
Not every kink is something for everyone, but to act as if you can read the age from a kink I think is presumptuous and nonsensical. Also, your idea that a game should have something for everyone is completely absurd. This only leads to a developer getting caught up in too many tasks (and side stories ...), and then no one gets anything out of the game, because none of the stories will ever been told to the end. Sorry, but I think you are completely wrong.
 

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1. Developer: "I put realism first."
2. Critics: "Realism is collapsing."
3. Fanboys: "Why bother developers? Don't look for realism in games."

1. Early release of the game: "It is fresh because it does not target only teenage virgins."
2. Present: "This game is also being made only for teenage virgins after all."
3. Fanboys: "Why bother developers? There are no games made for all ages."
 
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:love: :love: :love: Progress Report Ver. 0.190. :love: :love: :love:(y)

90% - 85% - 0%
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Slowest things on planet earth from least to most-

That tortoise from rabbit v/s tortoise story.
Flash from Zootopia.
Snail.
THIS GAME'S PROGRESS BAR.

It is a fucking torture to see this progress bar. What's even the point? Why even bother? I would much rather have uncertainity whether or when the next update will come than seeing the progress bar like an idiot. Whatever we say about LP, he has got a shrewd way of thinking, much like a politician. Using people kinks and horniness against them. Give them enough to hang on, but not enough that they forget your value. Classic politics move.
 

XaGnard

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1. Developer: "I put realism first."
2. Critics: "Realism is collapsing."
3. Fanboys: "Why bother developers? Don't look for realism in games."

1. Early release of the game: "It is fresh because it does not target only teenage virgins."
2. Present: "This game is also being made only for teenage virgins after all."
3. Fanboys: "Why bother developers? There are no games made for all ages."
Funny, but unfortunately stupid, because there are no realistic porn games. Expecting a realistic porn game is about as stupid as ordering hot ice cream. It is a contradiction in terms.

So let's get this straight: Anyone who demands realism from L&P or other porn game developers really doesn't understand what makes this kind of game work. Realism would mean that ultimately nothing happens, except maybe that Sophia has sex with Liam. That is why I say ...

4. Normal Player: "Why not just play the game or if you don't like it find something else?"

To think that AWAM will change the principles of porn games is just silly. No matter what L&P or some critics here say. We had several years of slow burn now, at some point the mid game has to start. The hope should be that AWAM picks up even more speed over time. This whining about realism is just ridiculous.
 
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